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Just goes to show u can trust nobody in this world even the ppl who you would think should be the most,thus is very bad publicity for our hobby which gets a bad rap already not needed at all the guy should be ashamed of himself he has to get sacked he's a liar and a thief

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For your information we found that the guy was on UKDN. He has now been well and truly binned :g63:
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Brian & Mo' wrote:For your information we found that the guy was on UKDN. He has now been well and truly binned :g63:
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Well done hopefully the scumbag loses his job but in this day and age he'll prob get a bonus 2weeks off and tea and cakes on his return lol

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popsandme wrote:
Brian & Mo' wrote:For your information we found that the guy was on UKDN. He has now been well and truly binned :g63:
hurrah! :g16: :g16: :g16:

Fantastic news, congratulations on your swift action.
Owen williams422 wrote:Just goes to show u can trust nobody in this world even the ppl who you would think should be the most,thus is very bad publicity for our hobby which gets a bad rap already not needed at all the guy should be ashamed of himself he has to get sacked he's a liar and a thief
Owen, people can be trusted, especially the majority of detectorists, of which you are one.
The offender will lose his job, and may become subject to another criminal trial, ending with a
further custodial sentence. It would be nice to see more of the positive thinking being
posted in this thread, showing very clearly how abhorant his crimes, and those of others are
to the hobby as a whole. What he has done is, in reality worse than those who he was supposed to be protecting the public as a whole against, the HAWKERS, day or night. :g44:
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Brian & Mo' wrote:For your information we found that the guy was on UKDN. He has now been well and truly binned :g63:
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Would the coins not be the same as buying a stolen car? EG: The Police come round and take said car away to return it to the legal owner (its on the telly enough!) the buyer loses out as the seller has acted illegally?
In this case, if the coins were returned to the landowner, then they follow the normal Treasure process with the finders reward being redacted.

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jcmaloney wrote:Would the coins not be the same as buying a stolen car? EG: The Police come round and take said car away to return it to the legal owner (its on the telly enough!) the buyer loses out as the seller has acted illegally?
In this case, if the coins were returned to the landowner, then they follow the normal Treasure process with the finders reward being redacted.
Exactly - this is the point I have been trying to make JC :g50:
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Its not very often I agree with Mr Barford but he has this pretty much spot on. http://paul-barford.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... finds.html
If he has done this then the legitimacy of his other finds must be in doubt.***

***If its the same bloke, but its an unusual name in a relatively small hobby.

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jcmaloney wrote:Its not very often I agree with Mr Barford but he has this pretty much spot on. http://paul-barford.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... finds.html
If he has done this then the legitimacy of his other finds must be in doubt.***

***If its the same bloke, but its an unusual name in a relatively small hobby.
Yes very interesting - I wonder if the police will follow up on any of those previous finds, I somehow doubt it unless they were sure of a conviction.

If Mr Barford reads the comments on this forum perhaps he will be reassured that we deplore this type of thing and would want people that break the law prosecuted as much as he would.
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jcmaloney wrote:Would the coins not be the same as buying a stolen car? EG: The Police come round and take said car away to return it to the legal owner (its on the telly enough!) the buyer loses out as the seller has acted illegally?
In this case, if the coins were returned to the landowner, then they follow the normal Treasure process with the finders reward being redacted.

Technically NO, imagine this, you come out of your home and see a car parked across
the end of your drive, blocking you in. You go to the car, which clearly has nobody
in it,, and notice that the driver has not locked the car. You open the car, let off the handbrake, and push the vehicle a few feet, into the space just a little bit ahead. You
are in the process of locking the car, using the inside button, just as Mr Plod is driving
by. He stops and asks if it is your car, and you being an honest guy tell him that it is
not, you were just moving it in order to get your car out. To your utter amazement
he tells you that you are under arrest for the theft of the offending motor.

Everything in your mind tells you that this cannot be happening, but, IT REALLY CAN.
If you move another persons vehicle, without their permission, even if it is no more
that a few feet, you commit a criminal offence.

The item has not been removed as such, whereas the coins were removed, and then
disposed of illegally. The chances are that the coins will never be recovered, having
been sold on more than once by now.
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Old Git John wrote:The chances are that the coins will never be recovered, having
been sold on more than once by now.
when it comes to buying and selling, especially high value items, there is always a paper chain, and anyone uncooperative in giving the buyers details could be prosecuted for obstructing a police officer in the course of his/hers duties. :g58:
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popsandme wrote:
Old Git John wrote:The chances are that the coins will never be recovered, having
been sold on more than once by now.
when it comes to buying and selling, especially high value items, there is always a paper chain, and anyone uncooperative in giving the buyers details could be prosecuted for obstructing a police officer in the course of his/hers duties. :g58:
I am fully aware of that, but, even a paper chain can be broken.

I was merely making a point illustrating theft in one of its forms.
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Hey All

I have been reading these comments and other info via your links regarding the case of this "Unsavoury Scoundrel" :g10:

It seem Cockle was arrested :g50: way back in November 2015. [approximately Sixteen Months Ago]

The quote from the article in Click Here The Mirror it says:

“Cockle has been released on bail and will be sentenced on Wednesday 8 March 2017. He has been suspended since being charged in May 2016. He will now be subject to misconduct proceedings.”

So it seems it took "six months" from the time he was arrested to when he was charged which subsequently let to his suspension for "misconduct" in May 2016.

No doubt he was retained on either full pay [or something like] during this period. [Generosity of you know who]. :g64:

I do hope that he doesn't just get some kind of "lenient punishment" for his crime.

Thanks to the UKDN Word Magazine [Page 31 - March 2017 edition] for mentioning the case ... :g50:

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