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Re: NCMD Rules under lockdown 5th Nov - 2nd Dec

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chasm_norwich wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:04 pm A couple of the fields that we detect have "public" footpaths running across them. So it should be OK to detect on either side. ???
(Sign me up for the loony bin please)
Technically the answer is no chasm... we have footpaths through the estate i manage and the land is still privately owned just with public access 1.75m i think is the with of a footpath roughly... sorry buddy your in still up the creek...
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Obby wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:33 pm
jcmaloney wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
coreservers wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:58 pm Seem Sensible.. however last time it didnt stop the pay per dig clubs. and ncmd did nothing about them
They can`t because such businesses were legally allowed to function.
They aren`t this time around.

The only way to stop them is by not funding them.
Don`t go & don`t pay.

It is that simple. :g50:
You have nailed it - and some of the pay to digs are getting far to expensive for what they offer - repeat visits to sites that have been hammered. :g45:
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If you own your own home you cannot detect in your garden (privately owned land) but if you live in a council house (publicly owned land) you should be OK to detect you own garden.

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Dendro_Tom wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:11 pm If you own your own home you cannot detect in your garden (privately owned land) but if you live in a council house (publicly owned land) you should be OK to detect you own garden.
Exactly this! This is lunacy. :g45:
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I have emailed my concerns on the stupidity of this, to my local MP and would urge others to do the same.

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Latest statement from the NCMD


UPDATE 07-11-2020

We received a response from the DCMS yesterday on our challenge for the guidance they issued on the 5th November; sadly they indicated they are not changing the lockdown guidance for our hobby.

The NCMD is however continuing to challenge these guidelines to ensure that common sense to applied to our hobby. We will not give up without a fight. A letter was sent yesterday to the Minister, Oliver Dowden MBE, Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport and copied to our Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, putting forward our case.

We would like to have better news for you. Hopefully the Minister will move swiftly to shift the DCMS’s position on how the legislation is interpreted for our hobby. We will keep you informed.

Whilst we are as upset and angry as many of your are by the guidelines, for our hobbies reputation and to avoid you receiving heavy fines, we would still urge you to follow them and not detect on private land at this time.

A copy of the letter sent to the Minister can be found in the news section of our website.
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Sadly, unfortunately it seems PAS is behind this thinking...

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So, I spoke to a friend who is a QC about the guidance and the law.

He said,in a far more eloquent way than I.........

The purpose of the law is to prevent individual households mixing either indoors or out. That can be a house, garden or in this case a field.
The guidance reflects that. The field, unless you own it, is the landowners garden and you, the detectorist, aren`t allowed in.
The law allows you to exercise in public spaces and the guidance permits the hobby, with the usual permission, in public places.


Simple when you think about it.

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Ahhhh dont you love the law - made to protect us all - but some more than others :g44:

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So why does it relate to metal detecting and not other activities such as fishing on private land. ? It looks like the PAS are responsible for instigating our predicament. Lets hope we can reciprocate the gesture at a later stage.

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Lobo wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 2:36 pm So why does it relate to metal detecting and not other activities such as fishing on private land. ? It looks like the PAS are responsible for instigating our predicament. Lets hope we can reciprocate the gesture at a later stage.
O yes - what goes around comes around

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Public spaces over eons of time are on a landowners property.
Why cant we detect with the landowners permission on those public spaces.
What makes them any different than a city councils public spaces
Got to be worth a thought.
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Like my Grandad always used to say (he worked in Whitehall most of his life) 'The law is an ass'. Not much more to say really.
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A question... Do PAS now speak for Metal Detecting?
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