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The £2million centrepiece of Henry VIII’s lost crown found under tree after 400 years

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"The £2million centrepiece of Henry VIII’s lost crown found under tree after 400 years"

Unbelievable... :shock:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13892233/ ... 400-years/
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And again...

"Metal detectorist finds £2million centrepiece jewel of Henry VIII's lost crown buried under a tree after it had been missing for 400 years"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -tree.html
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And again...

"Unearthed figurine 'could be from Henry VIII's crown'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-55890488
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Here's the PAS record for it, they say it's a pilgrims badge... :g43:

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/904442
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lee greagsbey wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:30 pm Here's the PAS record for it, they say it's a pilgrims badge... :g43:

https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/904442

It also says it is for Henry VI not the VIII like the papers say! :g43:
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Confusing :g43:
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The finder NOT ME made this interesting post . COPY and PASTE

It has been difficult to understand the treasure process for this case,and I wanted to wait until I had a better idea of where things had progressed.
It's hard to believe that such a small piece of treasure has turned into such a massive story. A unique case where a five-year battle to have it identified is still dragging on. Over the years, it has drawn international attention and challenged some opinions on certain historical events. The jewel was painstakingly handcrafted in the 16th century by a highly skilled artist from 98 percent pure gold and features a completely unique technique of enamelled lettering. It is the only precious metal effigy of Henry the Sixth that exists. It also has a fixing method only exemplified by the honours of Scotland crown made by Henry VIII's brother-in-law.
The story stretches across a fascinating time in history from Henry VII right through to Oliver Cromwell. Starting with the find spot directly in the flight path between where the battle of Naseby started and the town of Market Harborough where some survivors and part of the baggage train eventually were captured or slaughtered.

The find has highlighted a clash between what metal detectorists have discovered and what is believed about the battle flight path. Thousands of musket ball finds that replot the battle routes and encouraged some historians to pick up metal detectors for themselves. Similar to what happened at Bosworth battlefield when a detecting club that I was involved with changed the previously known battlefield site location. The Bosworth boar is a silver badge representing the king's livery that was assumed as belonging to someone very close to the king.
My experience started with a once-in-a-lifetime find after over 30 years of metal detecting. Even more overwhelming excitement followed when after a year of researching the find, I eventually discovered its identical twin attached to the recreation of Henry VIII's crown in Hampton Court Palace. Words can't describe the feelings after so much study had failed to find anything remotely similar.

Unfortunately, here we are over five years down the line, and sometimes I wish I hadn't found it! For me, I have found the process extremely depressing and stressful. It has literally been on my mind every day for the last five years. It is such a shame that the initial excitement of finding something amazing soon gets bogged down with politics and becomes a nightmare. The frustration and stress have matched the initial excitement of finding it! After trawling through so many books and finding so much supporting evidence, I find that not having academic qualifications prevents me from being acknowledged. Even more frustrating is the fact that the information I have submitted has come via academics and books. I feel that finding this important piece of British history has turned into a bad experience, and it has tainted my love for the hobby.
So far, no factual evidence has come forward to suggest that the Jewel is not a royal piece. Most experts are not prepared to get involved with this stalemate, and even TV companies have all had to back away. Filming done by the Antiques Roadshow was scrapped on the basis that "it had all got too political." Interest from others like Fake or Fortune and The One Show was dropped?

Unfortunately, I can't see how a fair process is in place. The British Museum has no incentive to carry out detailed research, as obviously the difference between this jewel being a pilgrim badge as first suggested by them and a royal piece is massive in relation to any reward for the finder. The jewel might be pushed through the whole process and valued without formal identification. The process requires the British Museum to provide the report which everyone else can use to form an opinion. This seems like a conflict of interest if they are also acquiring it based on what their report suggests. The museum will acquire the find before they identify it, which obviously seems unfair.
The finder of any treasure has the opportunity to do their research and pay to have a find independently valued. This is where the problems start! Most top London auction houses that have enough clout to be taken seriously are on the board of the treasure valuation committee. In my case, they all refused to value the Jewel as it was a conflict of interest. Over the years, I have contacted every single historian that I have come across with knowledge of the subject. Most have started off with enthusiasm and excitement in recognizing an important object but after digging deeper and realising the complications, they suddenly want nothing to do with it? Even Queen Elizabeth's personal jeweller who recreated the replica has refused to communicate with me instead of being excited that he made such a perfectly identical replica five years before my discovery.
Over the years, I have asked many important people for help. King Charles was recently kind enough to send me a letter and thanked me for bringing it to his attention. My MP has been involved with the case, as are some councillors. And I have been lucky to receive support from some high-standing citizens who have written letters of complaint on my behalf. The blogs done by Dan Snow, Mark Turnbull, and Leanda de Lisle were really helpful in pushing the story into the public domain. There is still interest from documentary makers who want to get involved after the story concludes. I have also been asked to do some talks, which I look forward to.

The museum initially categorised the Jewel as a pilgrim's badge, but with the help of some of the top experts in this subject who thought this theory was inconceivable, we persuaded the committee to recognize this false identification. However, the British Museum then provided a second report that blamed COVID for a lack of access to required resources and, in 35 pages, gave only guesswork and speculation. The only specific reason they gave to suggest that the Jewel did not originate from the crown was that the Corbel on which the king stands is too Gothic in design. My response to this was to firstly show a passage from a book written by Sir Roy Strong. He states that the Tudor state crown was of Gothic design and, more importantly, i gave examples of other contemporary small gold enamelled Saints/kings that can only be found on royal objects and that stand on very similar corbels.
There was unfortunately no acknowledgement of this clear factual evidence.
The museum intends to acquire the jewel as an unknown and unidentified religious object.
In the opinion of the museum, the fact that the replica jewel and the real jewel are identical in size, colour, fixing, style, and the find being the correct age is all coincidental.

The possibility that this jewel and maybe the Tudor state crown being within the royal baggage train at Naseby battlefield, which was looted in close proximity to the find spot, is not being acknowledged.
The museum has not provided any similar comparisons. However, I have found and submitted other comparative gold effigies of sainted kings/saints. These are not being considered as they are all fixed to royal regalia. Any possibility of my find being royal would irrefutably make it extremely valuable. Comparisons offered within the museum reports have been a silver cup, wooden carving, coins, and rings.
The British Museum report challenges the relevance of the find spot and states that the date of the jewel is incompatible with the battlefield? This seems to suggest that any object lost at the battle needs to be of that period. There are also claims that the jewel is too far away from the battle, and that fleeing troops may have taken a different route. Below is a map of the find spot showing clearly that it could not be in a more relevant place.
The British Museum report also makes the observation that the rear of the jewel is made to sit against a flat surface rather than a cylindrical one. This leads the reader to believe a crown would not be appropriate. Below is a picture of the crown replica, and it clearly shows the jewel sitting against a flat surface.

The British Museum report states that the fixing on the rear of the jewel is different enough to require further specialist research by scholars with greater knowledge on fixings in history. Below is a picture of a jewel fixing on the Scottish crown made for Henry VIIIs brother-in-law.
Part of the process is normally for the museum report to include research and comparisons that might help identification and valuation. Below are some comparisons submitted by the British Museum and their independent reports. Also, some examples of the comparisons that I have submitted, which have not been acknowledged as they are royal.
At the next committee meeting a final decision will be made on the outcome of this treasure find . I have done all I can to supply information and evidence to help identify it and help understand how it ended up being lost at that particular location .
It is highly likely that the museum will dismiss all of this evidence that we have submitted and acquire the find as an unidentified object, valued on that basis. Undoubtedly it will be researched and Identified by them at a later date in order to be displayed but I will have no claim for any extra reward if they eventually recognise it as a royal object .
Thanks for reading and please share this with anyone that may be interested .
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Tudor crownThe Tudor Crown, also known as Henry VIII's Crown, was the imperial and state crown of English monarchs from around the time of Henry VIII until it was destroyed during the Civil War in 1649. It was described by the art historian Sir Roy Strong as "a masterpiece of early Tudor jeweller's art",[1] and its form has been compared to the crown of the Holy Roman Empire.[
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