Livery buttons

[Puffin]

Had a chance to clean the button Kev, note the number on the back, looks like 153. They is a lot of gilding remaining though the photo does not show it.

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[kev woodward]

Cheers Barry, you have done a great job there. The reverse address (Firmin & Sons 153 Strand London) dates it to circa 1875

[Puffin]

Cheers for the date Kev.

[kev woodward]

That's ok sweetie

[Puffin]

[tinner]

a marriage button perhaps

[kev woodward]

The left hand side arms are for the Pleydell-Bouverie (Spiers) family, notably the Earls of Radnor. Click Here
The 4th and 5th Earls were Lord-lieutenants of Wiltshire. I can not place the impaled arms on the right hand side yet but are most probably the arms of one of the husbands as this is a woman's livery button. More work required

[tinner]

Thanks keV it fits as it was found in Wiltshire

[kev woodward]

I've been a bit of a dunce and I got myself mixed up a bit. The left hand arms are those of Spiers and the right hand side are those of the Pleydell and Bouverie families, known as Pleydell-Bouverie. Therefore this button is for one of the daughters of the Earls of Radnor and the only one that fits is Anne Pleydell-Bouverie, daughter of Jacob Pleydell-Bouverie, 4th Earl of Radnor (Lord-lieutenant of Wiltshire 1878-1889) who married Archibold Alexander Spiers Click Here They married 3rd Sept 1867 and they lived at Elderslie, Renfrewshire, Scotland until his death the following year at the age of 28! Therefore this button can be dated to late 1867 to 1868! I guess the button was lost on a visit to daddy!
To sum up, the left hand arms are of Anne's husband and the right hand side are the impaled arms of her father, as unless she was an heiress, she wasn't entitled to her own coat of arms.
Can I use the image for my website please?

[tinner]

Great info keV thanks

[Puffin]

Found in someone else scrap bag! One looks like a bulls head, and the other a bloke with head ware. I don't know the find location but could be Staffordshire?

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[DiOz]

This seems to be the family.......

BULKELEY-WILLIAMS, Bart., Wel.: (1.) For Bulkeley, out of a ducal coronet, or, a bull's head, ar., horned, gold, and charged with a cheveron, sa. (2.) For Williams, a Saracen's head, couped at shoulders, ppr. Nee temere, nee timide.

[DiOz]

This seems to be the family.......

BULKELEY-WILLIAMS, Bart., Wel.: (1.) For Bulkeley, out of a ducal coronet, or, a bull's head, ar., horned, gold, and charged with a cheveron, sa. (2.) For Williams, a Saracen's head, couped at shoulders, ppr. Nee temere, nee timide.

Click Here . . . . . Click Here

I think the "bull's head" would have become one of the 10th Baronet of Penrhyn's crests after he added the name BULKELEY in 1827.......

Sir Richard Bulkeley Williams-Bulkeley, 10th baronet (23 September 1801- 28 Aug 1875) was an English Whig and Liberal politician who sat in the House of Commons variously between 1831 and 1868. Bulkeley-Williams was born as Williams to Sir Robert Williams, 9th Baronet (of Penrhyn) and his wife Anne Lewis. In 1827 he assumed by Royal licence the additional surname of Bulkeley on succeeding to the estates of Thomas James Bulkeley, 7th Viscount Bulkeley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams-Bulkeley_baronets

Apparently he "Assumed the name of Bulkeley after that of Williams in compliance with will of the last Viscount Bulkeley, 26 Jun 1827."
......I can understand that but why have the name twice?

His fathers crest......
WILLIAMS, Sir Robert, Bart. [Penryn, Carnarvon,
Residences, Fryars, Anglesea; and Nant, Carnarvonshire].
Crest, a Saracen's head, affrontee, couped at the shoulders.

[kev woodward]

Great stuff again DiOz My time for identifying things has been very short over the last few days and will remain so for another week I still have about 30 buttons to id from people who send them via my website so they'll have to wait as well

[popsandme]

one from new member terryr-13 for you kev if you can help mate.
http://www.forumukdetectornet.co.uk/php ... 7&t=126809