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Re: Livery buttons

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GREENWOOD is the only family I can find with a crest like this...
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The unicorn one may be a variation of the Upcher family Click Here
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Re: Livery buttons

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kev woodward wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:49 pm First one is for the Earl of Portsmouth (Wallop family) Click Here although the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands in that image.

Still working on the others.
Thanks Kev, much appreciated... :g50: any ideas while the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands?
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DiOz wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:17 pm Image
Families with a crest the same or similar... Click Here
Thanks DiOz, tricky one that alot of families there, i couldn't spot any with a Hampshire link but obviously they're hidden in there somewhere... :g43:
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DiOz wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:08 pm GREENWOOD is the only family I can find with a crest like this...
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Thanks again DiOz,
F. R., Surgeon, Glenden House, 21, St. George's Square, Portsea, is the most likely Greenwood... :g50:
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kev woodward wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:11 pm The unicorn one may be a variation of the Upcher family Click Here

Thanks again Kev, much appreciated... :g50:
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lee greagsbey wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:52 pm
kev woodward wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:49 pm First one is for the Earl of Portsmouth (Wallop family) Click Here although the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands in that image.

Still working on the others.
Thanks Kev, much appreciated... :g50: any ideas while the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands?
Crest example pics are often quite different to how they should be, and when they're not the same as the crest description...it's usually the description that's correct...as is the case with this Earl of Portsmouth crest...
"A mermaid holding in her sinister hand a mirror, and in her dexter a comb, all ppr."
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What Dave said :g58:
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DiOz wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:20 pm
lee greagsbey wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:52 pm
kev woodward wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:49 pm First one is for the Earl of Portsmouth (Wallop family) Click Here although the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands in that image.

Still working on the others.
Thanks Kev, much appreciated... :g50: any ideas while the mirror and comb are in the wrong hands?
Crest example pics are often quite different to how they should be, and when they're not the same as the crest description...it's usually the description that's correct...as is the case with this Earl of Portsmouth crest...
"A mermaid holding in her sinister hand a mirror, and in her dexter a comb, all ppr."
Okay thank you Dave and Kev, much appreciated for all your help... :g50: :g38: I've a few more to dig out a post...
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A couple more for identification if possible, please...

This one was found near Liphook, Hampshire
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This one was found near Farnham, Surrey
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Image
Families with this crest... Click Here
(Click the name to see the details.)

The other one is a woman's livery button, but will be hard to attribute to a specific person or family as the lion rampant was used by many.
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Thank you DiOz, much appreciated as always... :g50:
Is there any thing specific that denotes the second button as a woman's livery button, such as the crest within the lozenges?
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lee greagsbey wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:31 pm Thank you DiOz, much appreciated as always... :g50:
Is there any thing specific that denotes the second button as a woman's livery button, such as the crest within the lozenges?
I read somewhere the lozenge denotes a woman’s crest, but also that the woman is unmarried. :g58:

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muddy wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:27 pm
lee greagsbey wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:31 pm Thank you DiOz, much appreciated as always... :g50:
Is there any thing specific that denotes the second button as a woman's livery button, such as the crest within the lozenges?
I read somewhere the lozenge denotes a woman’s crest, but also that the woman is unmarried. :g58:
Thank you muddy, much appreciated... :g50:
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lee greagsbey wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 1:31 pm Thank you DiOz, much appreciated as always... :g50:
Is there any thing specific that denotes the second button as a woman's livery button, such as the crest within the lozenges?
The lozenge-shaped shield indicates it's a woman's livery button... https://sites.google.com/site/liverybut ... ---lozenge

Women's livery buttons with more elaborate lozenge-shaped shields... https://sites.google.com/site/liverybut ... s---scroll

The women would have been unmarried when these buttons were worn, but most were probably on a servants uniform where the head of the household was a widow.

As well as women not having Arms on regular-shaped shields...they also weren't allowed to display a family crest.
I've read that the Queen was the only woman allowed to have a crest.
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