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 Post subject: clampdown on thames mudlarks
PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:02 am 
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Mudlarks will have to pay to search the Thames foreshore in a bid to save London’s archaeological heritage.

The Port of London Authority, which owns the river bank along with the Crown Estate, has ordered a clampdown as treasure hunting has soared in popularity.

Previously anyone could look for fragments of the past, ranging from Roman coins to Delftware pottery, provided they did not scrape or dig the surface to retrieve them.

Under the clampdown, any form of searching for objects washed up by the tides is prohibited unless the mudlarks hold a permit, which costs £32 for a day or £75 for three years.

PLA spokesman Martin Garside said there was “worry within the archaeological community” that amateur treasure seekers were failing to report significant finds.

“If you’re going down there with the intention of looking for something you need to have a permit,” he said.

He called the new rules, which stress the potential risks, were “an important clarification” to ensure people take relevant precautions such as checking the tides and wearing sensible footwear and gloves.

But the move dismayed some mudlarks — the Victorian name for impoverished children and adults who scavenged the washed up debris for anything to sell.

Ted Sandling, whose new book, London In Fragments, details his passion for amateur archaeology, said the new requirements “unfairly penalise casual mudlarkers”.

He added: “I started as a weekend mudlark, going down to the river serendipitously when I saw the tide was out. I applied for a permit when I began to take it seriously, after around a decade of doing it once or twice a year.

“My path is now being closed off to others.”

Cecilia Campbell-Westlind, a literary scout who lives in Stoke Newington, had her first taste of mudlarking last month. She said the fees would put her off going again. “I really loved going but £32 feels very expensive just to go once more.”

Nicola White, a Greenwich-based artist and frequent mudlark, called the changes a “sensible and logical move to protect what is one of the largest archeological sites in the UK when the tide is out”.

Last month it was revealed that one of the earliest Victoria Cross gallantry medals to be awarded was recovered from the mud on the banks of the Thames.

The medal, presented for bravery during the Crimean War and worth at least £50,000, was found by a mudlark on the foreshore with a metal detector.

Tobias Neto, 54, from Putney, said he only realised the medal was a Victoria Cross when he got home and saw the writing “For Valour” below the crown.
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Nemo77
1 year ago
What a lame article, you've asked two random people (who've given useless, uninformed replies) and the PLA what they think, how about asking an expert at the Museum to comment? It seems odd to me to target the people who don't damage the foreshore and to continue allowing people to metal detect and dig huge holes - why not ban that if they really want to protect the foreshore? I suspects it's just a money grab as there's no way they can actually police it.,
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obama
1 year ago
WE The People OWN The Thames NOT the P L A OR The CROWN. £32 to play in the mud.. you couldn't make the robbing scam up if you tried, all to fund their jobs not save or preserve anything except their pensions.
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DarrenG
1 year ago
Real reason, the council wants a cut of everything you find.
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geofff
1 year ago
I love wandering The Thames at low tide. I appreciate a shovel & metal detector can cause damage, but will this include picking-up anything that catches your eye? It seems the equivalent of arresting someone for picking up an odd coin from the pavement without first buying a concrete-larking permit.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 12266.html


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:27 am 
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I have in the past had a chance to go "up town" to have a go at larking, but even then could not afford the cost.

This move will prevent what in reality is a harmless pastime taking place, and will probably bring about a new "breed" of
hawkers.
I like the final comment it the first post, which says it all.



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the various tv series has caused a big rush onto the thames so the paper claims in another article ..i was down there 70s 80 90s but finds are scarce now ..but an army of searchers would find things


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Tons of stuff has come out of the thames over the years..& the museum of london has done well out of it over the years,,

This is just another tax .. & i wouldn't be surprised if this goverment dosen't reintroduce licencing again for metal detecting . like is was in the seventees..


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Tons of stuff has come out of the thames over the years..& the museum of london has done well out of it over the years,,

This is just another tax .. & i wouldn't be surprised if this goverment dosen't reintroduce licencing again for metal detecting . like is was in the seventees..


Iam surprised that the government has not clamped down on the need for export licences.

So many overseas detectorists are coming over here and failing to record their finds. Jerry.



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What damage does a spade and a detector do on the foreshore of the Thames? NONE. Ive watched guys dig 6ft deep holes, the tide comes in, the hole fills. I think its disgusting, just another way to make money.


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NORFOLKGOLDFINDER wrote:
What damage does a spade and a detector do on the foreshore of the Thames? NONE. Ive watched guys dig 6ft deep holes, the tide comes in, the hole fills. I think its disgusting, just another way to make money.



the loosened soil causes erosion especially near london bridge when boats motor by ..in 30 years the barge beds have dropped by 5 feet and in some areas just wooden stumps are standing where the foreshore used to be ..


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ageezer wrote:
NORFOLKGOLDFINDER wrote:
What damage does a spade and a detector do on the foreshore of the Thames? NONE. Ive watched guys dig 6ft deep holes, the tide comes in, the hole fills. I think its disgusting, just another way to make money.



the loosened soil causes erosion especially near london bridge when boats motor by ..in 30 years the barge beds have dropped by 5 feet and in some areas just wooden stumps are standing where the foreshore used to be ..


If you are talking about the north bank outside the Tower of London, no one is alowed to dig holes or detect their, sometimes it was allowed when part of an archaelogical survey, the erosion there is down to the clippers, have a look at low tide and see the wash it throws up and gets driven along the foreshore....I think the PLA are just trying to make a few quid, .....people are very rarely asked for a licence, .....and where blatent hawking is filmed by the thiefs themselves no action is taken check out You Tube .....about a gold coin found in Westminster....2 guys filmed detecting in a Mudlark only area.....they are both not Mudlarks.....


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[quote="JBM"][quote="IronRon"]Tons of stuff has come out of the thames over the years..& the museum of london has done well out of it over the years,,

This is just another tax .. & i wouldn't be surprised if this goverment dosen't reintroduce licencing again for metal detecting . like is was in the seventees..[/quote]

Iam surprised that the government has not clamped down on the need for export licences.

So many overseas detectorists are coming over here and failing to record their finds. Jerry.[/quote]


A good comment Jerry, so very true.



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[quote="Jellytussle"]I can't believe I just read that.....[/quote]

Which "that" ?



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Just a small point;- £75 p/a equates to £2.09 per month over the whole period, search or not.

How many spend more than that on a single night out boozing ? In fact you would hardly get a pint for two quid.

Thirty two pounds for a single day IS on the other hand a rip off.



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