Lead bag and cloth seals

[Jellytussle]

This is the first cloth seal I've found (I'm assuming it is a cloth seal, as I can see the weave in the left hand image), and I'd appreciate an i.d., please

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[StuE]

Yes absolutely right - part of the rivet disc from a two disc cloth seal stamped with incuse S and scratched with 5... The rove disc is missing but the rivet stub has the remains of what I think is part of a privy mark. All in all I would guess that this was a cloth worker's personal seal. Thanks for showing me - go find a more complete one ;)

[Jellytussle]

Thanks for your help, Stu. If I record it as probably dating from 1400-1700 is that sufficiently vague - or can it be tied down any tighter? I've had a look at the FRG datasheet and am none the wiser

[Fishwick]

New phone but managed to work it out. Hope this pictures give some better detail.

[tomredmayne]

Hi Stu. Having looked at this one again, I think it says W 5D across the rivet side......

http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=22943

[chasm_norwich]

These two were found yesterday.
Nice pattern but no writing.
Is the wrong side stamped ???
Can anybody ID them please.

[tomredmayne]

Hi Stu. Another one from my new site. This time looks like a multi-part seal. The face with the flying eagle and a crown above it was folded over and hidden until I unfolded the seal. None of the other faces or the rivet have any design on them....

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And opened up a bit more........

[woodburner]

Hello all, found this today Staffordshire it's just under two and a half cms at its longest point

[tomredmayne]

I think this is your one woodburner http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=421

WEBB & SONS WORDSLEY STOURBRIDGE

THE KING'S SEEDSMEN

[woodburner]

cheers Tom

[StuE]

Thanks for your help, Stu. If I record it as probably dating from 1400-1700 is that sufficiently vague - or can it be tied down any tighter? I've had a look at the FRG datasheet and am none the wiser

It's probably 1600 - 1700 but maybe safer to go for 1500 - 1800.

[StuE]

Hi Stu. Having looked at this one again, I think it says W 5D across the rivet side......

http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=22943

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[StuE]

These two were found yesterday.
Nice pattern but no writing.
Is the wrong side stamped ???
Can anybody ID them please.

The one on the left is a privy marked cloth workers personal seal - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... g2_page=20
and the one on the right is a Tudor probably Elizabeth) alnage seal showing the arms of England - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3093

There was no distinction as to which side they stamped - often stamped on both sides with no rule as to which stamp went on which side.

[StuE]

Hi Stu. Another one from my new site. This time looks like a multi-part seal. The face with the flying eagle and a crown above it was folded over and hidden until I unfolded the seal. None of the other faces or the rivet have any design on them....

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And opened up a bit more........

I was going to assign this one to Norwich as they have a series featuring the bird from the Norwich Weavers' arms (from my book, "For a series of Norwich seals featuring birds often with wings addorsed see UKDFD 12704, which is a parallel to No.92 Fig.22 [Egan, G., 1995, p.49]. See also MOL 80.121/5, 95.228/48 and 95.228/61. MOL 81.522/2 has a clipped rivet disc stamped with a bird, wings addorsed and the rove disc and rivet stub are stamped with TO / (S)HO(RT).") but this looks to show an extra wing and possibly a crown above - also it is the rivet and inner disc from a four-disc cloth seals and Norwich were nearly always two-disc cloth seals ... so I'm not sure Will add it and see if anything turns up later.

Thanks for pointing Woodburner in the right direction - I think it's the Queens Seedmen version rather than the Kings ;)

[tomredmayne]

Thanks again Stu...............fascinating stuff this cloth seal business.........beginning to see why you became interested................