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Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:51 am
by dig-it-pete
Hi Stu - found this one yesterday which I believe is a cloth seal - had a look in your book but could not get a match.
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:26 pm
by PhilD
Members bale seal for ID please, found in Naburn, East Yorkshire;
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:27 pm
by StuE
Thanks Phil. From Ged Dodd - "A Russian flax bale seal found at Naburn in East Yorkshire by Phil D and submitted by Stuart F Elton. I put them on here for the many enthusiasts who I know are learning to translate the Russian seals .. IDENTIFICATION GRADE EASY (when you turn the contrast up full .. twice .. LOL)
ЛД = LD / Д.Е:НАДЕЖИН / H4 /// NP / MM12Н / 1788
Obverse:- Flax Inspector D.E NADEZHIN working out of number 4 post in the port of St Petersburg, Kronstadt, Narva, Riga, Libau, Pilau, Pernau, Revel Memel, Konigsberg, Windau or Tilsit .. in 1788 ..
Reverse:- All NP seals before 1829 are flax seals, it does not mean the bales were shipped from Narva Port ( but they may have been) it means a "flax" tax has been paid.
The Grower/Owner/Agent initials are MM with 12 flax plants in the bale.
. .see reference IDS 1833 on page
http://www.peacehavens.co.uk/BSINDENT1800.htm
Total bale seals on database on 25th November 2019 is 6596
Notes:- D.E.Nadezhin was the elder of this extensive family and their first inspector. He handed the reins of number 4 post over to I.Nadezhin in 1800 .. who then branched out to his own post, number 44, in 1802 until the late 1830's."
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:50 am
by PhilD
Many thanks Stu, for lots of interesting info
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm
by Toutatis
Here’s one I found in Lincolnshire
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:51 pm
by StuE
A very interesting and rare fishing net seal from the Dutch town of De Rijp -
http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=37104 Could you give me the diameter of the discs in mm please?
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:15 pm
by Toutatis
Wow, that’s incredible! Thank you for the great info. The diameter of the discs are 14mm.
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:18 am
by dig-it-pete
Found this one on Sunday Stu in Somerset.
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:51 pm
by StuE
Thanks for showing it Pete - it's a Phoenix Oil Mill Company seal -
http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=12187
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:05 pm
by dig-it-pete
Thanks Stu
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:23 pm
by Toutatis
Sorry not a lot to go by and the photo may even be upside down. Found in North Lincolnshire
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:06 pm
by StuE
Enough for and oold pro like me ;) - A distinctive William III royal cipher / monogram -
http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=12575
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:26 pm
by Toutatis
Nice. Sounds like it will be worthwhile trying to twist and clean the other side.
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:49 pm
by StuE
Yep - give it a go but remember how soft lead is! (and don't breath the dust in!!)
Re: Lead bag and cloth seals
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:18 pm
by dig-it-pete
Hi Stu - found these in East Devon.