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This is the first cloth seal I've found (I'm assuming it is a cloth seal, as I can see the weave in the left hand image), and I'd appreciate an i.d., please

Yes absolutely right - part of the rivet disc from a two disc cloth seal stamped with incuse S and scratched with 5... The rove disc is missing but the rivet stub has the remains of what I think is part of a privy mark. All in all I would guess that this was a cloth worker's personal seal. Thanks for showing me - go find a more complete one ;)

Thanks for your help, Stu. If I record it as probably dating from 1400-1700 is that sufficiently vague - or can it be tied down any tighter? I've had a look at the FRG datasheet and am none the wiser

New phone but managed to work it out. Hope this pictures give some better detail.

Hi Stu. Having looked at this one again, I think it says W 5D across the rivet side......

http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=22943

These two were found yesterday.
Nice pattern but no writing.
Is the wrong side stamped ???
Can anybody ID them please.

Hi Stu. Another one from my new site. This time looks like a multi-part seal. The face with the flying eagle and a crown above it was folded over and hidden until I unfolded the seal. None of the other faces or the rivet have any design on them.... And opened up a bit more........

Hello all, found this today Staffordshire it's just under two and a half cms at its longest point

I think this is your one woodburner http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=421

WEBB & SONS WORDSLEY STOURBRIDGE

THE KING'S SEEDSMEN

cheers Tom

Jellytussle wrote:Thanks for your help, Stu. If I record it as probably dating from 1400-1700 is that sufficiently vague - or can it be tied down any tighter? I've had a look at the FRG datasheet and am none the wiser

It's probably 1600 - 1700 but maybe safer to go for 1500 - 1800.

tomredmayne wrote:Hi Stu. Having looked at this one again, I think it says W 5D across the rivet side......

http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=22943

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chasm_norwich wrote:These two were found yesterday.
Nice pattern but no writing.
Is the wrong side stamped ???
Can anybody ID them please.

The one on the left is a privy marked cloth workers personal seal - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... g2_page=20
and the one on the right is a Tudor probably Elizabeth) alnage seal showing the arms of England - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3093

There was no distinction as to which side they stamped - often stamped on both sides with no rule as to which stamp went on which side.

tomredmayne wrote:Hi Stu. Another one from my new site. This time looks like a multi-part seal. The face with the flying eagle and a crown above it was folded over and hidden until I unfolded the seal. None of the other faces or the rivet have any design on them....

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And opened up a bit more........

I was going to assign this one to Norwich as they have a series featuring the bird from the Norwich Weavers' arms (from my book, "For a series of Norwich seals featuring birds often with wings addorsed see UKDFD 12704, which is a parallel to No.92 Fig.22 [Egan, G., 1995, p.49]. See also MOL 80.121/5, 95.228/48 and 95.228/61. MOL 81.522/2 has a clipped rivet disc stamped with a bird, wings addorsed and the rove disc and rivet stub are stamped with TO / (S)HO(RT).") but this looks to show an extra wing and possibly a crown above - also it is the rivet and inner disc from a four-disc cloth seals and Norwich were nearly always two-disc cloth seals ... so I'm not sure Will add it and see if anything turns up later.

Thanks for pointing Woodburner in the right direction - I think it's the Queens Seedmen version rather than the Kings ;)

Thanks again Stu...............fascinating stuff this cloth seal business.........beginning to see why you became interested................